04.08.2004, 14:31
Defense: Is Hulk Hogan bigger than life?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Was it the goal of Vince McMahon to promote a character that was larger than life to go over with the public?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Go over means public will accept as popular?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Ever have any personal knowledge that Titan paid for any steroids for wrestlers?
Terry B: No.
Defense: As far as you know, in the locker rooms, they used their own money?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Ever see a road agent or any employee of Titan distribute steroids to a wrestler who wanted them?
Terry B: Never.
Defense: During 85-89, if you could not get steroids, you get from other physicians?
Terry B: If needed, yes.
Defense: Titan had nothing to do with Zahorian giving you steroids?
Terry B: Nothing.
Defense: Dave Brower was friend of yours from High School who lived in Florida?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you renew your friendship with him in 88 before the filming of No Holds Barred?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you train with him then?
Terry B: Don't recall.
Defense: Did you call Zahorian and have him deliver steroids to Brower?
Terry B: I don't remember the dates. I put Dave Brower on the phone with Zahorian and introduced him because he was using steroids.
Defense reads Grand Jury statements.
Q: Zahorian sent you Federal Express in Tampa.
A: Yes.
Q: To Dave Brower who received them for you?
A: yes.
Defense: Did Dave Brower and you share steroids?
Terry B: Yes. Gave me my portion.
Defense: You paid for steroids that you used from Dave Brower?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You made the order and for convenience you had it delivered to Dave Brower and you took some for your personal use?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you charge Dave Brower money?
Terry B: No. He gave me 10 vials, so I gave him ten vials. We were friends. It is similiar to how smokers share cigarettes.
Defense: Between 85-91, you gave wrestlers steroids and the reverse was true. In your mind were you distributing steroids?
Terry B: No, these were my friends.
Defense: When they gave them to you, were they in your mind distributing steroids?
Terry B: No. they were my friends.
Defense: Did you believe as a lay person, that between 85 and 91, as long as a doctor prescribed them, they were legal?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you believe Zahorian was committing a crime?
Terry B: No.
Defense: You did not have knowledge that it was criminal?
Terry B: No, I did not.
Defense: Did the other doctors write you a prescription?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you believe that Titan was condoning an illegal practice?
Terry B: No.
Defense: When you were examined in Hershey, it was in private?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you talk to Zahorian about your physical condition?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you [talk] about problems apart from steroid usage?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you have personal and medical conversations with Zahorian?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you expect them to be confidential?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did some concern your wife?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You used Zahorian for reasons unassociated with steroids?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Were you satisfied with the advise of Zahorian?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: He helped you?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You had close friends in the WWF?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Ed Leslie known as Beefcake?
Terry B: yes.
Defense: Brian Blair?
Terry B: yes.
Defense: John Minton, know as Big John Studd?
Terry B: Yes, but I don't see him as often.
Defense: Do you recall Vince McMahon handing you steroids via Federal Express from Zahorian?
Terry B: Never.
Defense: In 1988 you received a Federal Express from Zahorian?
Terry B: Yes.
We get 15 minute recess. A spectator in front row comments to someone that only people in the wrestling business that are rooting for the destruction of Titan and Vince are the higher ups in rival organizations. Like Eric Bischoff in WCW. Reason being he can lower salaries if Titan was gone because there wouldn't be the threat of a wrestler leaving WCW to go to Titan and get a higher salary.
Defense: The packages were picked up becuase you knew steroids were ordered for you?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Would you call from the road and ask Emily to order for you?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did Vince McMahon ever direct her to order and supply you with steroids?
Terry B: No, I called myself.
Defense: Who would you pick up the package from?
Terry B: Emily.
Defense: Do you recall Vince McMahon ever dividing up steroids and handing you bottles and packages?
Terry B: No.
Defense: Did Jim Stewart ever deliver a package to you?
Terry B: I don't remember him doing that.
Defense: Did you ever give Emily Feinberg instruction to give steroids to Jim Stewart?
Terry B: No.
Defense: The steroids were paid for by you?
Terry B: I would write a check for Zahorian.
Defense: When you got steroids from others, you would not pay money and instead just give them some of your viles in return later?
Terry B: Yes. No money.
Defense: Orders were placed jointly for you and Vince McMahon?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You knew Vince McMahon used steroids?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: From 84 and on, Vince McMahon was your friend?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You called him your brother?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You had respect for him?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you in 1993 call him "my hero"?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Vince McMahon respected you?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Your ability and what you did for the WWF?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: The film "No Holds Barred" was produced by Shane productions which was owned by Vince McMahon correct?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You were involved exclusicely in the filming, there were no performances then?
Terry B: None that I can recall.
Defense: During June and July of the production, he was in your company and involved in the production of the film?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You two stayed in the same hotel and trailer?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Do you know how old Vince McMahon is?
Terry B: No.
Defense: Is he in the present in his late 40's?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Back then he was in his early 40's?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: In your case you started using steroids when you were around 23-24?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Would it be unusual for an individual to start steroids in his early 40's?
Sidebar called.
Defense: Vince McMahon started using steroids in 88 while filming "No Holds Barred"?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did he use the steroids that you had?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Decadorabilin and oral pill called anabar?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you talk to Vince McMahon about cycling?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you show Vince McMahon how to inject himself with deca?
Terry B: I dont remember that.
Defense: But you gave part of your suply to Vince McMahon for use and and bottles were then given back to you by Vince McMahon?
Terry B: It's possible.
Defense: Did Zahorian tell which steroids were the best to take?
Terry B: Told me the safest. Anabar and deca were the safest.
Defense: Did he characterize deca as being as safe as sugar passing through your system?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You talked to Vince McMahon about which were the safest?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you believe steroids helped you to heal from injuries that you sustained?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you feel steroids speeded the recovery from injury?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you talk to Vince McMahon about that?
Terry B: I can't recall.
Defense: Were you surprised by the Zahorian investigation?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You were told not to call or talk to Zahorian?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you try?
Terry B: Yes, at his office. He said he wouldn't talk.
Defense: Did you have any intent to obstruct a government investigation.
Terry B: No.
Defense: You called him as a friend?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you intend to defruad the FDA?
Terry B: No.
Defense: Did Vince McMahon or Titan tell you to call Zahorian?
Terry B: No.
Defense: At the time of the Zahorian trial you were feeling a lot of pressure?
Terry B: Yes. I felt at the time of the investigation that I was being singled out. The public didn't know much about steroids. I felt that it was unfair that out of the thousands I was being singled out.
Defense: Did you feel badgered?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: To this day does the question of steroids come up in every single interview?
Terry B: About 85%.
Defense: Before and after the Zahorian trial you gave untrue statements to the press?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: In particular the Arsenio Hall show?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Is it fair to say that you did not give the complete story on the Arsenio Hall show?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: What did Vince McMahon advise you about that?
Terry B: He didn't think it would be a good idea to go on the show because it was not the right format.
Defense: What did he say about seeing the Grand Jury?
Terry B: Tell them the truth.
Defense: When you gave untrue statements to the media was it to defraud any agencies or obsrtuct any investigations?
Terry B: No.
Defense: You felt the use of steroids was personal?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Bad publicity for you?
Terry B: It turned out that way.
Defense: Did you receive immunity?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Do you feel you committed a crime in regards to steroids?
Terry B: No.
Defense: At the time of the Grand Jury, were you involved with a promotion for the film "Mr. Nanny"?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Was there talk of "Thunder in Paradise" occurring?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you talk to Vince McMahon about a comeback to wrestling?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: In order to get money and exposure for your TV show?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Fair to see that Vince McMahon helped you start a new career?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You are currently under contract with the rival WCW?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You signed a contract with Ted Turner?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Is he the owner?
Terry B: I don't know who the owner is.
Defense: You signed a contract to wrestle with Ric Flair?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You will be performing this Sunday on PPV.
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Still friends with Vince McMahon?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: In 89 you made your home in Stamford, CT?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: You lived there from time to time?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: Is it true that you do not recall all the days that you got steroids from Emily Feinberg?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: You met Dr. Liebowitz through Titan?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: You received steroids from Vince McMahon and Emily Feinberg who are not doctors?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: When you took the photo did you know them well?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: Is part of the appeal of Hulk Hogan his physical size?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: His 22 inch arms?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: In part Hulk Hogan got to be Hulk Hogan through steroids?
Terry B: In part.
Government: Every time Zahorian gave you steroids, he did not write a new prescription?
Terry B: No. He just gave a note and said keep it in your bag.
Judge: What were they?
Terry B: Different sheets of paper for each steroid. It said deca for TB for bodybuilding.
Government: He did not limit you?
Terry B: Correct.
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Was it the goal of Vince McMahon to promote a character that was larger than life to go over with the public?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Go over means public will accept as popular?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Ever have any personal knowledge that Titan paid for any steroids for wrestlers?
Terry B: No.
Defense: As far as you know, in the locker rooms, they used their own money?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Ever see a road agent or any employee of Titan distribute steroids to a wrestler who wanted them?
Terry B: Never.
Defense: During 85-89, if you could not get steroids, you get from other physicians?
Terry B: If needed, yes.
Defense: Titan had nothing to do with Zahorian giving you steroids?
Terry B: Nothing.
Defense: Dave Brower was friend of yours from High School who lived in Florida?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you renew your friendship with him in 88 before the filming of No Holds Barred?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you train with him then?
Terry B: Don't recall.
Defense: Did you call Zahorian and have him deliver steroids to Brower?
Terry B: I don't remember the dates. I put Dave Brower on the phone with Zahorian and introduced him because he was using steroids.
Defense reads Grand Jury statements.
Q: Zahorian sent you Federal Express in Tampa.
A: Yes.
Q: To Dave Brower who received them for you?
A: yes.
Defense: Did Dave Brower and you share steroids?
Terry B: Yes. Gave me my portion.
Defense: You paid for steroids that you used from Dave Brower?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You made the order and for convenience you had it delivered to Dave Brower and you took some for your personal use?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you charge Dave Brower money?
Terry B: No. He gave me 10 vials, so I gave him ten vials. We were friends. It is similiar to how smokers share cigarettes.
Defense: Between 85-91, you gave wrestlers steroids and the reverse was true. In your mind were you distributing steroids?
Terry B: No, these were my friends.
Defense: When they gave them to you, were they in your mind distributing steroids?
Terry B: No. they were my friends.
Defense: Did you believe as a lay person, that between 85 and 91, as long as a doctor prescribed them, they were legal?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you believe Zahorian was committing a crime?
Terry B: No.
Defense: You did not have knowledge that it was criminal?
Terry B: No, I did not.
Defense: Did the other doctors write you a prescription?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you believe that Titan was condoning an illegal practice?
Terry B: No.
Defense: When you were examined in Hershey, it was in private?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you talk to Zahorian about your physical condition?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you [talk] about problems apart from steroid usage?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you have personal and medical conversations with Zahorian?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you expect them to be confidential?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did some concern your wife?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You used Zahorian for reasons unassociated with steroids?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Were you satisfied with the advise of Zahorian?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: He helped you?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You had close friends in the WWF?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Ed Leslie known as Beefcake?
Terry B: yes.
Defense: Brian Blair?
Terry B: yes.
Defense: John Minton, know as Big John Studd?
Terry B: Yes, but I don't see him as often.
Defense: Do you recall Vince McMahon handing you steroids via Federal Express from Zahorian?
Terry B: Never.
Defense: In 1988 you received a Federal Express from Zahorian?
Terry B: Yes.
We get 15 minute recess. A spectator in front row comments to someone that only people in the wrestling business that are rooting for the destruction of Titan and Vince are the higher ups in rival organizations. Like Eric Bischoff in WCW. Reason being he can lower salaries if Titan was gone because there wouldn't be the threat of a wrestler leaving WCW to go to Titan and get a higher salary.
Defense: The packages were picked up becuase you knew steroids were ordered for you?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Would you call from the road and ask Emily to order for you?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did Vince McMahon ever direct her to order and supply you with steroids?
Terry B: No, I called myself.
Defense: Who would you pick up the package from?
Terry B: Emily.
Defense: Do you recall Vince McMahon ever dividing up steroids and handing you bottles and packages?
Terry B: No.
Defense: Did Jim Stewart ever deliver a package to you?
Terry B: I don't remember him doing that.
Defense: Did you ever give Emily Feinberg instruction to give steroids to Jim Stewart?
Terry B: No.
Defense: The steroids were paid for by you?
Terry B: I would write a check for Zahorian.
Defense: When you got steroids from others, you would not pay money and instead just give them some of your viles in return later?
Terry B: Yes. No money.
Defense: Orders were placed jointly for you and Vince McMahon?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You knew Vince McMahon used steroids?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: From 84 and on, Vince McMahon was your friend?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You called him your brother?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You had respect for him?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you in 1993 call him "my hero"?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Vince McMahon respected you?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Your ability and what you did for the WWF?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: The film "No Holds Barred" was produced by Shane productions which was owned by Vince McMahon correct?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You were involved exclusicely in the filming, there were no performances then?
Terry B: None that I can recall.
Defense: During June and July of the production, he was in your company and involved in the production of the film?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You two stayed in the same hotel and trailer?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Do you know how old Vince McMahon is?
Terry B: No.
Defense: Is he in the present in his late 40's?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Back then he was in his early 40's?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: In your case you started using steroids when you were around 23-24?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Would it be unusual for an individual to start steroids in his early 40's?
Sidebar called.
Defense: Vince McMahon started using steroids in 88 while filming "No Holds Barred"?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did he use the steroids that you had?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Decadorabilin and oral pill called anabar?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you talk to Vince McMahon about cycling?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you show Vince McMahon how to inject himself with deca?
Terry B: I dont remember that.
Defense: But you gave part of your suply to Vince McMahon for use and and bottles were then given back to you by Vince McMahon?
Terry B: It's possible.
Defense: Did Zahorian tell which steroids were the best to take?
Terry B: Told me the safest. Anabar and deca were the safest.
Defense: Did he characterize deca as being as safe as sugar passing through your system?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You talked to Vince McMahon about which were the safest?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you believe steroids helped you to heal from injuries that you sustained?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you feel steroids speeded the recovery from injury?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you talk to Vince McMahon about that?
Terry B: I can't recall.
Defense: Were you surprised by the Zahorian investigation?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You were told not to call or talk to Zahorian?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you try?
Terry B: Yes, at his office. He said he wouldn't talk.
Defense: Did you have any intent to obstruct a government investigation.
Terry B: No.
Defense: You called him as a friend?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you intend to defruad the FDA?
Terry B: No.
Defense: Did Vince McMahon or Titan tell you to call Zahorian?
Terry B: No.
Defense: At the time of the Zahorian trial you were feeling a lot of pressure?
Terry B: Yes. I felt at the time of the investigation that I was being singled out. The public didn't know much about steroids. I felt that it was unfair that out of the thousands I was being singled out.
Defense: Did you feel badgered?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: To this day does the question of steroids come up in every single interview?
Terry B: About 85%.
Defense: Before and after the Zahorian trial you gave untrue statements to the press?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: In particular the Arsenio Hall show?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Is it fair to say that you did not give the complete story on the Arsenio Hall show?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: What did Vince McMahon advise you about that?
Terry B: He didn't think it would be a good idea to go on the show because it was not the right format.
Defense: What did he say about seeing the Grand Jury?
Terry B: Tell them the truth.
Defense: When you gave untrue statements to the media was it to defraud any agencies or obsrtuct any investigations?
Terry B: No.
Defense: You felt the use of steroids was personal?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Bad publicity for you?
Terry B: It turned out that way.
Defense: Did you receive immunity?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Do you feel you committed a crime in regards to steroids?
Terry B: No.
Defense: At the time of the Grand Jury, were you involved with a promotion for the film "Mr. Nanny"?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Was there talk of "Thunder in Paradise" occurring?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Did you talk to Vince McMahon about a comeback to wrestling?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: In order to get money and exposure for your TV show?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Fair to see that Vince McMahon helped you start a new career?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You are currently under contract with the rival WCW?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You signed a contract with Ted Turner?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Is he the owner?
Terry B: I don't know who the owner is.
Defense: You signed a contract to wrestle with Ric Flair?
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: You will be performing this Sunday on PPV.
Terry B: Yes.
Defense: Still friends with Vince McMahon?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: In 89 you made your home in Stamford, CT?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: You lived there from time to time?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: Is it true that you do not recall all the days that you got steroids from Emily Feinberg?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: You met Dr. Liebowitz through Titan?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: You received steroids from Vince McMahon and Emily Feinberg who are not doctors?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: When you took the photo did you know them well?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: Is part of the appeal of Hulk Hogan his physical size?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: His 22 inch arms?
Terry B: Yes.
Government: In part Hulk Hogan got to be Hulk Hogan through steroids?
Terry B: In part.
Government: Every time Zahorian gave you steroids, he did not write a new prescription?
Terry B: No. He just gave a note and said keep it in your bag.
Judge: What were they?
Terry B: Different sheets of paper for each steroid. It said deca for TB for bodybuilding.
Government: He did not limit you?
Terry B: Correct.